So what if he says:
I did a lot of work on corp gov in MBA
bhawna says:
but i guess in reality all the org don't at all follw the corp gorvern
So what if he says:
thats the hypocrisy that i wanted to get at
bhawna says:
it is so much of made up
So what if he says:
u know what I have noticed
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companies will talk abt Corp gov only during the boom time
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when they need an extra measure to show investors that they are better than the others
So what if he says:
when its normal time or recession corp gov goes out of the window
bhawna says:
very true esecially when it comes to the awards etc, we are nominated for the UTI capital institute thing
So what if he says:
UTI thats one of the first companies which shud be necked out when u wanna talk abt protecting shareholder value
bhawna says:
yes that is the reason they conduct such kind of things and god knows how they would be judging the whole issue that again would be biased
bhawna says:
all bullshit they talk of investors and consumers interest how do you prove it just by writing the golden words that you care
So what if he says:
corp gov it only makes sense if a company is making more profits that it can reinvest
So what if he says:
only then will it think abt what more can i do to get good will
bhawna says:
very true, but do you genuinly feel that still they would do the job only with the spirit of corp govern
So what if he says:
they are not fooling anybody,
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they are interested in the investors only because they control the share price of the comapny "ideally"
So what if he says:
but in India the retail shareholders, individual investors form such a small part of the share capital that the companies dont even need to bother.
bhawna says:
right cause they are just satisfied with the returns
So what if he says:
Even if individual investors own shares most of the decisions to buy and sell are decided not by the "progressive policies of the company" but Price
So what if he says:
and even then the broker is the greater influencer for any transsation
bhawna says:
that is very true especially for the cement industry
So what if he says:
thats the reason u hardly find any correlation to what goes on in the company interms of revenue and its share price
bhawna says:
and the greatest of all is that inspite of industry not doing well and making so much of hue and cry to increase demand etc but if you see the shre prices --marvelous
So what if he says:
yes
bhawna says:
well the experience says that actually the revenue does flow in but the fabricated statements are produced to extract all the subsidies and benefits
I am sure there are very easy ways of tackling this and its just not apathy that they are not doing this its just corruption
bhawna says:
but balu we don't have the solution to that as well cause at some place or other all of us are contributing towards this corruption
So what if he says:
but u know what
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the world has to have a lot of inefficiencies to survive
So what if he says:
if everything follows a logical tract then a few tenets of Human life are being questioned
bhawna says:
right as we are not tuned to the true logics of life
So what if he says:
theres nothing called true logic in life
bhawna says:
so mean it is this survival of the fittest that drives us everywhere and forces to do all the possible black deeds we know of
So what if he says:
not really theres hardly any need for that primitive feeling to creep in
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its just the feeling of greed
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differentiation
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I want to be different from another one
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I want more than the next guy
So what if he says:
I am better than the next guy
bhawna says:
yes true that is fine but how do you know how much the guy next to you is having you have no idea of that
So what if he says:
its not as rational a thot as that. Its just "I just want to feel better than the other guy"
bhawna says:
but then there will be no end to that what if you are already better than the guy still more and more that is exacctly when all the wrong routes come on your path and we blindly follow as we cannot see anything other than that feel good factor so all is fair
So what if he says:
thats just human nature irrefutable even if it has been identified.
bhawna says:
so then why look for mr. perfection or miss perfect, when all know that they actually are all wrong
So what if he says:
its all relative
bhawna says:
so all are actually being driven by the realtive forces of the world and not any of these well laid out ideologies or teachings i guess that is were all are teaching fails
So what if he says:
All teaching makes sense till u come to a decision point, and the variables which u were taught are not the variables which face u
So what if he says:
this is the reason why teaching dont really matter
bhawna says:
so then why blame the politicians for not being educated any way we are also doing the same thing
So what if he says:
yes but they are as representative as the public
So what if he says:
but they are like god, people who are there to shoulder all our mistakes
bhawna says:
so we too are representing things like values etc in the market
So what if he says:
good question
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other than the virtues of greed there are a lot of virtues whihc have made teh world bearable and enjoyable place
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I think when these good virtues are over ridden by the others then u have a problem in hand and teh problem is only for those people who believe that a virtue is good
bhawna says:
then how do you differentiate between the good and the bad where does optimism go then
So what if he says:
u know what when I was a kid I used to beleive that what a majority believe is good is good
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and when people move over and values change good becomes bad
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and vice versa
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look at urlife time think abt virtues of Ambition, power,
So what if he says:
these were probably bad thinsg to have at one point of time but now there are a "must have"
bhawna says:
but again that is making you selfish and greedy then why term these greed and desire as bad virtues
So what if he says:
theya re now may be in sometime they might be good
So what if he says:
like desire now in this open society is not termed as a bad virtue but a few decades back it was a "no-no"
bhawna says:
things this way will lead us back to the barbarian age then may be in a modified way
So what if he says:
thats where we are right now
So what if he says:
why fear teh barbarian age
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tell me one of charectors of teh barbarians that we dont have now?
So what if he says:
may be its just cloaked in Societal norms but will keep surfacing sometime or the other
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but these societal norms are very important as well
So what if he says:
man has changed the way he wants to be, which I think is the biggest achievement which differentiates us over the animals
So what if he says:
Man has realised "self" and realsied that self needs to be modified to suit the needs of an intelligent society not even a civilised society
bhawna says:
and in proving that intelligence crosses all the boundaries
So what if he says:
Man in the end has realised he is a social animal
So what if he says:
the basic difference being
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a solitary animal species works only for its immediate family
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but a social animal works for a community like bees
bhawna says:
that we can reason out and the animals can't
So what if he says:
yep
So what if he says:
not really what is reason?
So what if he says:
its just the understandgin that If I do this this will happen? reason is why did this happen when I did that? am I right?
bhawna says:
BUT THEN HOW DO YOU DECIDE TO DO ONLY WITH THE REASONING CAPACITY
bhawna says:
what i meant was that how do you decide that if you do this it will happen isent that again the logic or the reasoning of your that is helping you to make judgement
So what if he says:
yes it is

To be Continued....